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Rocky Raccoon · May 13, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

Also, as Trub said, you are just being silly now. Trying to discuss something that only you think is messed up is going to go badly.

Actually, I think the thread is being very civil as opposed to many others.

Tullzinski · May 13, 2009, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Actually, I think the thread is being very civil as opposed to many others.

I would like to thank everyone for that also. If my understanding of how the filter works is wrong then it is my bust, and I am glad to admit it. I thought the filter worked on outgoing chat messages. It looks like that is incorrect. With that being the case then if you turned off the filter it would not be bypassing it.

I still have to wonder why the filter can be turned off if profanity is against the EULA...If someone can make sense of that for me I would be grateful!

manager · May 13, 2009, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

I still have to wonder why the filter can be turned off if profanity is against the EULA...If someone can make sense of that for me I would be grateful!

Because even if it's against the EULA, 99.9% of the players have never read it or don't care about it and will do it anyway?

Kook~NBK~ · May 13, 2009, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

I still have to wonder why the filter can be turned off if profanity is against the EULA...If someone can make sense of that for me I would be grateful!

It's there because gaming (and human) history teaches that even with rules are in place, people will still disregard the rules.

trankle · May 13, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

However there is still the question of why have the ability to turn off the filter since it is against the EULA to have profanity?

I can answer that for you.

You are not allowed to generate profanity within the game, but Anet is. I can't name a character Damned Cleric, for example, but Anet can make an enemy with that name.

If I, as a player, want to read the name Damned Cleric, as put into the game by Anet, I need to turn off my filter.

That's why you can turn it off.

Tullzinski · May 13, 2009, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by trankle

I can answer that for you.

You are not allowed to generate profanity within the game, but Anet is. I can't name a character Damned Cleric, for example, but Anet can make an enemy with that name.

If I, as a player, want to read the name Damned Cleric, as put into the game by Anet, I need to turn off my filter.

That's why you can turn it off.

That makes sense to me

-Sonata- · May 13, 2009, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

I still have to wonder why the filter can be turned off if profanity is against the EULA...If someone can make sense of that for me I would be grateful!

While the purpose of a chat filter is to filter out vulgarity, or words deemed inappropiate for younger audiences, there is no "perfect filter". There are often times where words are captured by the filter because they meet a character string that says, "This is bad. Block it." when really the word wasn't bad at all. Use your rhyming skills to see how that can happen. Also see some of the filtered names in the naming policy.

The option of being able to have it on, or off, isn't some sort of cheat for people. Those who are mature enough and responsible enough to both view and express themselves without engaging in excessive inappropiate language have the choice to turn the filter off for public conversations. It also means myself and friends, who are all over 25, can turn off the filter and chat like we're 25 within the means of our party, or guild, without the filter restriction.

Parents with young kids at the ripe of age of 13, who may not at all be responsible enough to handle it, be involved in it, or view it, can keep the filter on.

Whatever the choice, in the end, each player is still responsible for their actions.

Bloodgrave · May 13, 2009, 05:49 PM // 17:49

It sounds stupid, but he does actually have a pretty good point.

Personally I think the whole chat filter stuff is kind of bad anyway. What's the point in having it, or being able to turn it off, if you can be banned for swearing anyway?

BenjZee · May 13, 2009, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Simple, don't be rude

Fril Estelin · May 13, 2009, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

To bypass something, the thing has to be there.

Just in case you missed it. You can't bypass the filter if it's not "there", i.e., actively filtering (turned on).

Another way to look at it is in your last comment in the OP: you can't "escape" the filter by turning it off, because to "escape" something the thing has to be there.

Brett Kuntz · May 13, 2009, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

trub, hehe agree with you about being silly, but this is legal jargon we are dealing with

If I turn off the filter I have just bypassed it......

TOS and EULA's are not legal agreements and do not hold up in any court.

Lonesamurai · May 13, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by kunt0r

TOS and EULA's are not legal agreements and do not hold up in any court.

Actually they do

try going to court and sueing for an account ban... any solicitor will tell you its a legally binding contract

Rocky Raccoon · May 13, 2009, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by kunt0r

TOS and EULA's are not legal agreements and do not hold up in any court.

It's my understanding that EULA's are written by lawyers for said companies, if they were not binding legal agreements you could have the advertising department write them.

NoXiFy · May 13, 2009, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Another funny thing about the filter is the word "damn". It's filtered by the in-game filter, but when you ping a Damned Cleric it says damned. I want someone to say something like "Oh balthazar damnit" in all chat and see if they get banned, lol.

Also, discussing "naga's" can get you banned unless you speak of them in the right way. I remember several guilds such as Naga Stole Mah [Bike] and Kill The Nagas [WP] getting banned.

bhavv · May 13, 2009, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Age of Conan had the right approach to profanity.

Swear and say anything as naughty as you like, and it doesnt matter, so long as your comments are not aimed at abusing another member.

If you abuse or harass people, you get booted off. If you run around on a PVP server killing noobs for fun, calling them 'effing' noobs after picking them off, you are allowed to do that because the whole idea behind the game is for it to be a brutal and unforgiving environment.

I sooo wish that AoC had no fees

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Brett Kuntz · May 14, 2009, 04:51 AM // 04:51

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Actually they do

try going to court and sueing for an account ban... any solicitor will tell you its a legally binding contract

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

It's my understanding that EULA's are written by lawyers for said companies, if they were not binding legal agreements you could have the advertising department write them.

Just because it's written by a lawyer doesn't make it legal:

http://forums.sirlin.net/showpost.ph...0&postcount=11

David Sirlin says it best.

qvtkc · May 14, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

However there is still the question of why have the ability to turn off the filter since it is against the EULA to have profanity?

Ahem.

IT'S NOT AGAINST THE EULA TO "HAVE PROFANITY". IT'S AGAINST THE EULA TO DISPLAY PROFANITY TO OTHER PLAYERS BY BYPASSING FILTERS ACTIVATED BY SAID OTHER PLAYERS.

Tullzinski · May 14, 2009, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by qvtkc

Ahem.

IT'S NOT AGAINST THE EULA TO "HAVE PROFANITY". IT'S AGAINST THE EULA TO DISPLAY PROFANITY TO OTHER PLAYERS BY BYPASSING FILTERS ACTIVATED BY SAID OTHER PLAYERS.

sigh, thank you word police.

remove have insert whatever method/word you want.

MagmaRed · May 14, 2009, 01:21 PM // 13:21

The filter is there because some people will swear even though they are not supposed to. So if a parent doesn't want their kid to see swearing, and has the chat filter turned on, the kid can sit in Kamadan and see people say "bitch", "shit", "fag", etc. and only get **** instead. Turning the filter off is a choice made because some people swear and don't mind seeing others do the same. There isn't a global chat monitor in place, so you will only get banned if reported or observed by a GM. And since we know how ofter GMs are around in the game, you see that you have to be reported.

pumpkin pie · May 14, 2009, 01:36 PM // 13:36

you are trying to make wave out of nothing like me ah?